I am glad that some articles remain. The lack of balance and objectivity. Pros. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice - Crime Website Her son ended up in jail and ONeils children accused him of neglect and bad parenting. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. But I am more than willing to review any new info. Indeed, Diane Down's murder case was a shocker for detectives. So, how much do you know about him aside from this acting profile? Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . It goes on and on. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I remember when it was in the news. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. Do not take this so personally. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. And she should be allowed parole! She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. Q. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. Hysteria. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. She repeated it years later at school. No worries. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. Litigating at the Supreme Court in . Found the internet! The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. You are right. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. It was known as Manic Depression. Was that Annes fault as well? Steve Downs was the husband of the infamous child killer, Diane Downs. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. Did she act like a average person? Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. Mission accomplished. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. Page 26 of Case History. She had not fired a gun. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? The pilots we did dealt with Japan going over the quotas of hunted whales and a company dumping toxic waste into the ocean But it didn't work out because the stock footage they were using. Its tiresome. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. Mr. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers This happened in 1983, not 1893. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. https://t.co/cPfs75obUg pic.twitter.com/uSnlFF2IRw. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. Did Danny Downs, Steve Downs' son, remain paralyzed? This does not make her innocent. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. she chose to stay with Manson and his misfits. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. 0. Because she seemed "aloof". In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. It probably makes you feel so good. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. Thanks again. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Even put in different hospitals. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. The person leaned into the car. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. They had their second child, Cheryl Lynn, in 1976, followed by Stephen Danial, born in 1979. Even though his wife shot their children multiple times, and the case was national news, he never surfaced and kept a low profile. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Father of Diane Downs Remains Vigilant After 30 Years (VIDEO) 20 female celebrities with black hair to follow in 2023, 10 most famous QVC hosts who were fired or left the channel. And in fact this would have been about the time that Charlene broke a bottle of liquor that you had. Any thoughts on that? No way. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Steve Downs Now: Where is Diane Downs' Ex-Husband Today? Update Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. I am not one sided. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. Who is Diane Downs' ex-husband Steve and where is he now? It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. It seems like Steve and Diane were meant to be together. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. Despite all these misgivings, they chose to stay strong in the marriage and had their first child, Christie Ann, in 1974. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. But I know that there were major problems with this case. It should have been investigated further. There are some stories that stick with you for a long time. There is only one major problem with your scenario. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. And, one of them was her ex-husband, the father of the children that Diane had shot. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. The trouble reportedly took place a day earlier when Sean Preston allegedly was behind a locked bedroom door and Jamie broke down the door to get in and then "violently shook" the child, The. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. In this Battle of Cutthroats, Who has lost their head? It surely was not due process. People have always been wondering about Steve Downs, Danie Downs ex-husband. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. The strong, emotive language. Ask them what they did to a good man. And, when she got assigned to the mail routes in the city of Cottage Grove, Oregon, as a part of her job with the U.S. postal service, he didnt have any qualms with her taking the children. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. The discovery that he wasnt his biological child made him leave the relationship. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. I think u need to read the facts. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Halo's Master Chief TV Show Actor Won't Try To Replicate Steve Downes How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. It is possible that he still resides in Arizona, but exactly where he is or what he does, we dont know. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. But, their marriage was far from what either of them had expected. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). Mr. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. And thats fair enough. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. She found out who her biological mother was when she was 11 years old, ABC reported. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. However, their marriage wasnt as great as they anticipated as Steve was a player and quite irresponsible and immature at the time. Bannon, a former adviser . Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. Inflammatory and speculative And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. Why is there virtually no info on him? Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. A. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. The Halo TV show stars Orange is the New Black's Pablo Schreiber as Master Chief, with Californication's Natascha McElhone as Dr. Halsey. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. In 1984, Diane was convicted of the death and injuries of her children, and she was sentenced to life in prison. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. I agree on many points with your comment. Not speculative? After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. Our legal system is not perfect. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. Their first child, Christie Ann, was born in 1974. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. why didn't steve downs get custody. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. And the motive? If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. Steve Howey, Sarah Shahi's Relationship Timeline: Photos Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. The jurors had doubts. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. PAY ATTENTION: Install our latest app for Android, read best news on Kenyas #1 news app. This whole case is flawed. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. That they did not test the outside of the car? Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. Why? In 1983, Diane Downs said a stranger shot her 3 kids, but police Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. It is not my point. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Anything less is a conflict of interest. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. I bet the records are and always have been sealed regarding this aspect of the case. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. Here's everything you need to know.

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