At this point? [–]F___TheZero 92 points93 points94 points 3 years ago (6 children), [–]Yuroshock[] 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]NeverPostAThing 58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (2 children). If it's a large gap and you as an employer cannot close the gap once they do have experience they are going to jump ship unless they are happy where they are at. Particularly when you're dealing with a smaller company and can have an open dialog with the upper management. I wouldn't. I had to go in and admit, yes, I was. [–]TheMadTemplar 1594 points1595 points1596 points 3 years ago (276 children). Everything is in play. Well 3% of jack shit still isn't very helpful. Tag “adult” or non-family friendly tips as NSFW. Everybody was encouraging of this, and they even offered to pay my tuition up to 5k a year (wouldn't have covered it but still nice). If you want to be able to negotiate the best situations for yourself without harming your career prospects you have to be able to be realistic and have adult conversations. It should absolutely be illegal to keep someone on as a temp indefinitely just so you don't have to pay them proper wages or give them benefits. Management generally doesn't need the appearance of weakness and counter offers are precisely that. I liked what I was doing, but the pay was sub par. See more ideas about gifts for coworkers, work gifts, gift for coworker leaving. I work(ed) part-time in an around-the-clock home for special needs adults for ~2 years. They have another job lined up. EDIT: Wow. The most recent example I saw was also one of the more egregious. Laws vary from state to state, but it's typically illegal to include management in tip pools. I may give a new employee at 5 months 1% and an overperforming underpaid employee 5% to maintain balance. When I told my team lead that I was putting in my two weeks notice, he said "Do we need to have a conversation about increasing your compensation?" That seems like a terrible approach to me. If I’m leaving I’ll tell who I please. Other than looking for a new job. But what’s wrong about talking about how good a company is? In most of my jobs, if the raise is over 10% it needs approval by a VP or a very senior director or equivalent. It's all about risk, both for you and the company. I agree, but its because I had a job I liked with a great manager & a team. Do not submit tips that are advertisements or tips simply recommending a product or service. I'm still in contact with my old boss, and he's happy for me. In many companies, including those I've worked at, telling management several months in advance that you plan on leaving, even if you are going to stay productive until the final day, gets you labeled as a flight risk, and means they will replace you as soon as they can. I never understood the idea of a counteroffer. Because I am sure about my decision. If they are ready to leave, they have probably had issues with the company for some time. A lot of managers like to think they provide this environment but it rarely works. If an employee is happy and satisfied where they are working they will not entertain offers, especially if you are paying them around market rate for their position, responsibilities, and experience. I also never have the power to walk into HR and say "Hey, give this guy a 20% raise, he's earned it. [–]bigveinyrichard 36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (7 children). This is some of the stupidest management bullshit advice I’ve ever heard, and I work at a place that is basically LARPing Office Space. As a manager who faces employee resignations, in many ways it can open a door to conversation. Spending a couple of hours commuting and waking up when it’s dawn. Come review time there is a bucket of money that has to be spread around to your employees. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If lumber such as bamboo was harvested in Southest Asia and needs to go to Hawaii that ship has to travel to the United States first, sometimes going right past Hawaii. Kind of made me happy to be leaving, but also I felt bad for my old co-workers who have to deal with such dumb management. It's not illegal. Anyway, I doubled down on the job hunting, and while I was in the process, they finally filled our open tech position with a 22 year guy that had zero experience or formal education, but because the position had been impossible to fill for a year, he started off off at 3 dollars an hour more than I was making post raise. I didn’t HAVE to put in my two weeks, after the way the treated me I should have just left. And if you accept, they will act like they own your ass now. [–]forserialtho 150 points151 points152 points 3 years ago (16 children). [–]quailmanmanman 80 points81 points82 points 3 years ago (1 child). Company I was at fired me, stating they no longer needed me (but hired someone in at a lower rate). I'm in the US, CA to be specific. Don't be more loyal to a company than it would be to you. When I worked for walmart they had us watch a video on why unions are bad and would say it was against store policy to talk about confidential information and pay was considered CI, but when I asked to be shown where it said that, I was given the run around. I got a better job pretty quickly. Keep in mind that an aphorism is not a LPT. Slightly unrelated, but this reminds me of my current situation. [–]nvaus 49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (5 children). However, many companies still heavily discourage it. [–]nurries 812 points813 points814 points 3 years ago (42 children). That's not always the case. Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920, [–]DeadRiff 65 points66 points67 points 3 years ago (4 children), I think I almost had a stroke thinking about the absurdity of that situation, [–]slipperylips 63 points64 points65 points 3 years ago (0 children). They didn't give a shit then, they don't now. That's what he's paid to do, among other things. So, the TL;DR moral of the story is, if your management are incompetent/in denial about you leaving, it's probably okay to tell people when you're like a few days away from leaving. You tell your boss, he sorts out the rest. I felt like I was worth retaining but not worth growing or compensating. In May the HR director reached out and told me they were going to start looking for somebody so I shouldn't be surprised. I let my manager know I was talking with a very well known company. The only way I made more than ~2.5% increase a year in salary was to change employers. LPT: If you're waiting for the bus at night, turn your turned on phone screen toward the bus as soon as you see it. Do not submit tips in reaction to other posts on this subreddit (aka “tip piggybacking”). Right exactly. Lack of info is power over the employees. No. I'm not close with them at all and actually quitting because of the bad relationship I have with them in the office. I was offered a position with another company, and told my boss I was being recruited and told him the pay. It's expressly forbidden as a cause for retaliation. The shame should be in underpaying them in the first place, not in offering them a raise. Eh management looking weak? What you decide to tell your coworkers is your business. They weren't going to be professional or decent anyway. [–]mesoziocera 117 points118 points119 points 3 years ago (7 children). and join one of thousands of communities. You don’t need a union to get the benefits, you just need to share with your company-workers. So if you resign and are given a counter offer, don't take it. So that if you're termed in the next "X" months, you still get a salary or a payout. The last company I left got rid of all the benefits offered to employees who stay with them for decades. Company is looking for it's best interests and so should you. Whether you're departing on a high note or a low one, the last day of work can be awkward and stressful. Dear Debra: I just gave a two-week notice to my supervisor. I did... sent it across and they asked me to come over to a local coffee shop to discuss this. The core mission of /r/jobs is empowering job seekers and employees through the promotion of: their best interests, helpful and sound advice, and encouragement. Management loves it. I've asked for training so I can cover night-shifts if needed, which I was finally promised in September, but that still hasn't happened. The company keeps employees as temps for 1, 2, 3 or more years. Anyways so the new guy turns out to be a complete moron. If you want to retain good talent, then you need to have regular two-way communication with your staff. This creates an atmosphere where you are paying your talent beneath market rate for their duties. saying just enough about what you're doing next, to inspire jealousy and saying more than enough about how awesome your team is, so you'll be remembered as generous and kind With this in mind, here's a proven 8-step formula for writing your goodbye email. Just be polite about it, and see what their reaction is. [–]zapbark 347 points348 points349 points 3 years ago (43 children). [–]shattasma 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (2 children). It paid off, too. [–]limjaheybud 129 points130 points131 points 3 years ago (19 children). People need to understand that the best pay rise is a new job. This is a professional relationship and if they wanted to keep you there, they either can give you more money or a different role. Why would you want to continue working for someone that wants you for as little as they can have you. They were loyal and productive to the last day, agreeing to finish that big project before goodbye. It gives you a much better bargaining position. I ended up get peusdo fired because I was vocal about the change in Management's actions. [–]Searchlights 92 points93 points94 points 3 years ago (9 children). It sounds like you chose what was more valuable to you (working from home, good healthcare and PTO). LPT: Don't click "Unsubscribe" in an email that you didn't subscribe to. I would have never left if I didn’t have the support from HR and my colleagues to work out the transfer of my work before I put in my two weeks. u/NotKennethBone, your post seems like you are under the assumption that most people work for good companies that care about their employees. They will listen to your problems and work with you to help find solutions. Making it possible to average around 5%. I will inform my boss but do I owe these guys anything? Better tip: Never, ever accept a counter-offer. Please. Sounds like it worked out! I currently almost make double the amount of money compared to what I left it at, and with far better benefits, and less demanding(on the body) work. Next time, think twice before bluffing a sick day! We gave them raises 3-4 times a year. I worked at a job for 4 years, and over that time my pay went from $18/hr to $19.16 an hr. It really came down to what we perceived as stupid decisions from the top and them refusing to listen to any of us. If you were a man you were expected to finish the cash open by yourself, if you were a woman you got help. I've asked for a permanent weekend either every other or every third, but that hasn't happened. Employees who quit usually have made up their minds and plan on leaving for different/better prospects. The company that offered him a job originally probably has one already, [–][deleted] 239 points240 points241 points 3 years ago* (38 children). [–]bunnyrut 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (2 children). Tell your employer or immediate boss, ensure that all the process and paperwork of your leaving process have been done, and after that, say you're goodbye. Many times people have that impression and they are actually perfectly within their pay bands. It’s in their court whether they try to keep u or not. You owe them nothing. This stigma in America about wages and jobs is absurd. You must acknowledge the rule you broke! The lady lost the job offer she turned down, and her company played along only because it gave them a heads up to replace her. It’s normal for people to ask, but there are many occasions when you’d rather not tell. "What can we do to keep you?" Bans are given out immediately and serve as a warning. [–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]nursemattycakes 26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]Henri_Dupont 204 points205 points206 points 3 years ago (24 children). [–]skintigh 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago* (2 children). 1 year it was 1.5% reserved for “top performers “ , which followed the next year with a .5% increase and the 1% A’s a lump sum payment . 2 years later they were willing to give me the money they should have always just offered me. Sorry, not interested. Take a few people with you when you go. It doesn't help that I'm right next to one of the largest universities in the country and as lazy as a sloth. Do you mind me asking what does your wife do for a living? [–]Ulivan 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child). If you're satisfied with where you are and what you do, as well as the compensation provided, then sounds to me like you're succeeding in life. The best employee who deserves to make more money and I don't want to hold back. When you’re leaving a job for another opportunity, you may want to send a farewell email to colleagues. It’s nothing great, waiter at a private golf club restaurant where we pool and split tips evenly. OP is taking their own perspective and trying to generalize it. Remember employment is a mutual agreement. Most tech companies are like this. This was 5 years ago and she continues to get raises. LPT: If you want to put something off until tomorrow, at least put in the work to know precisely exactly what you need to do first. That’s not a asshole thing to do at all. But working from home looking at the ocean right now. Here’s how to know you’re not just being paranoid. When I was a manager at a retail-level establishment (starting minimum wage employees). In between me giving notice at my current job and starting to work at a new job my then current boss decided to call my future boss and have a chat with him about me. So you get to set the terms of this negotiation. You're unusually patient. Canada has their shit together. This is why your counter-offer should include a severance clause. [–]shattasma 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children). Maybe “open a door” for conversation before employees are ready to walk out? This whole post is hilarious because its an old people mentality on how to run a company. If you're super concerned they'll let you go and that will cause a problem then there's a good chance you're not actually worth what you're asking for. You're why I was looking for another job in the first place. Knowing what to look for if you think someone might be sabotaging you at work requires going back to grade school in your mind. That took my by surprise as I was planning to suck it up and leave them in as good a position as they could, but honestly felt a huge relief. "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.". They are meant to include only employees that customairly receive tips. [–]IThinkIThinkThings 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children). Maybe it's an opportunity in another department, maybe it's a change in responsibility and yes, sometimes it's a pay change. One of the best ways to say goodbye is to refer to funny things that have happened in the office over the years. Nobody else will. [–]justageekboy65 3589 points3590 points3591 points 3 years ago (446 children). And once they can finally earn market rate they are going to go somewhere else and earn more than market rate. She asked that I wait one week before telling anyone, including my co-workers, clients, and vendors. They couldn't honor a small pay raise (asked for $3) and they didn't want me to continue my education due to it interfering with work hours. I've found that keeping plans to yourself until they are imminent is best practice, regardless of the nature of the plan. If employment is in an at-will state, I won't even give two week's notice. The only way he found out, and straightened out the situation was we talked. We did it by crew, and my 12 months there I took over 5 drug tests. Is your skill set in high demand and recruiters constantly contact you, or are you doing a job where there's a long line of people to replace you at lower cost? I'd think that if a person was planning on keeping their promise to you they would see such a request as a positive trait, not take it personally. At some point in your career, you might decide that moving up in your industry requires going to work for your current employer’s competition. [–][deleted] 235 points236 points237 points 3 years ago (120 children). A few things to understand before you continue to assume that I am the world's worst manager. Retention is very costly and companies and bad managers wait too late to fix issues and it sounds like you’re just another bad manager with very little positive experience. That may be excellent business, but as an employee it's not something I want out of the place I work. Mar 3, 2019 - Finding the right going away gifts can be difficult. I gave my company the heads up that I would be taking a few college classes. If I have to tell a company that I'm ready to walk for them to compensate me more appropriately, then they can go fuck themselves. Thank you sociopath for this great advice on how to fit within your pathetic schemes. They let me go for unprofessionalism and lack of commitment. I had little faith in him to fight for me anyway, and in my review he said he would like to give me more but could only give me 3%. In Louisiana, you can't. Got several 'way to go!" I think it was to justify the small raise I got. If you're young, have few responsibilities, and have a support structure to fall back on then you can take risks other people might not take. Sorry I have to disagree. If it took you giving your notice for them to give a shit, then you don't want to work there. [–]vyger89 74 points75 points76 points 3 years ago (10 children). He said he could get close to that, but is capped at a certain level and won't be able to match. If you have a family and you're living month to month and cannot feed your children without your paycheck then it's probably smart to secure a new job before you go fucking with your current one. [–][deleted] 68 points69 points70 points 3 years ago (12 children). Then they terminated her. [–]BleedingAssWound 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]kjata30 480 points481 points482 points 3 years ago (37 children). Oh, and why not do the same for the rest of my team while you're at it?" You drove for quite a long way just to get to work every morning. Like, bitches, no. Don't worry about telling your immediate team right away. I've had several who let me know months in advance of moving to another position, and this created a long and smooth transition. Working at a company I previously left for pay reasons. While having WFH and good benefits does sound great I'd be very leery of your long term prospects. Don't send an e-mail using company equipment, time and a work e-mail address to share personal news, even if it is, technically, news about work. [–]SilverParty 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (3 children). This was my lesson. Or in my case, leaving a hostile work environment with shitty managers running the place into the ground. 3 years ago. My coworker "Lisa" doesn't do her job. What will it take??" [–]speedy_162005 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago* (1 child). We had a similar situation where a guy told our manager that he is unhappy and looking to quit. [–]skintigh 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children). A counter offer has a completely different process, this stuff mention previously goes out the window and its now about retention. Didnt even blink and said "Nope". I showed my ass and they deserved every last bit of it. What country are you in? Basically anyone paid below the normal minimum wage. If they want to play that game they'll have to give a few months of your pay to do it. I had an amazing boss, and was getting raises above what was expected. This is very very rare. Studies show that almost all decisions to quit a job are greatly influenced by a person’s immediate supervisor. We have required yearly reviews, with optional 6 month reviews if either side believe it is needed. LPT: When resigning from a company, don't tell a single person until your management has acknowled and accepted it. In 5 years I will probably be the one recommending them to do it as I move on to new opportunities. I left a few months after that announcement and found a way cooler job. It has never occurred to them that maybe it's the shitty management practices that drives people away. That's when you go to the company you got a job at and counter their offer with the current employer's counteroffer. I'm always job shopping, but can't seem to find anything worth my time in my area. You don't just assume everything is ok until something happens. And in the end this can actually work in managements favor since they then have a workforce that feels fairly treated, and feels open to voicing their opinions without fear of getting the axe. But if they agree to something and then start getting all defensive and angry that you want it in writing, well, you were planning on leaving anyway. When I applied for unemployment, I was denied because the boss claimed I was searching job sites all day. But fuck I wish there was a way to include the cooks in on our tip outs these guys bust their ass off :(, [–]NedStarksDad 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (6 children). Telling them that the company is very conservative and doesn't want to hire then fire you. [–]Annakha 54 points55 points56 points 3 years ago (3 children), [–]daiz- 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child). My sales pipeline is so built up that i can do 40% of my job and still exceed my goals. I didn't want to burn bridges, so probably nothing snarky. If they get unpleasant about that, they weren't going to be pleasant or honest about any way you danced around it. [–]xarimus 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]book-reading-hippie 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]KryptoniteDong 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (33 children), [–]softawre 74 points75 points76 points 3 years ago (31 children). this is why it’s downright illegal to retaliate or force employees to not talk about these things. If you don't like what you do or what you get paid, talk with your feet. So I'm asking for more, because I'm barely treading water every month financially. [–]Seikom 872 points873 points874 points 3 years ago (121 children), That’s an odd way of saying “it encourages other employees to try to renegotiate their salaries as well.”, I understand why you wouldn’t want that, but it’s condescending and paternalistic to call it “bad behavior.”, [–]Wacocaine 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (1 child). It's also reflective of management that isn't aware or doesn't care about keeping good talent...until its too late. You might find there are reasonable counters that may help you be more educated or empathetic. It's irrational behavior by management, and when employees learn the rules of the game and start playing the game back, that's not "bad behavior" that's rational behavior. Almost a perfect 5/7, [–]MaverickSkye 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children). Sometimes there's just nonsensical bureaucracy you need to cut through. What company do you work for if you don't mind my asking? Do not submit tips that concern parenting. But I decided to do the right thing. My wife literally doubled her salary and makes more than her boss because of a counter offer made by her boss’s supervisor. [–]Loop_Within_A_Loop 231 points232 points233 points 3 years ago (7 children). He congratulated me & asked me to keep it quite & let him know if anything was changing. You’re advice is great in a perfect world. [–]feliscat 42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (0 children), What a joke of a LPT. Now you're wondering, what's the best way to say goodbye when you leave a job? He's not going to say obviously. I was a recruitment assistant at a temp agency and my job was to find resumes for the recruiters. Absolutely this. Note that moderators will use their own discretion to remove any post that they believe is low-quality or not considered a LPT. I applied at a psychiatric ward last month, got the job, immediately got training in all 3 shifts, have gotten a permanent weekend (nights as I wanted), I've seen the summer schedule and all 8 weeks are 100% (nights as I wanted), the entire Easter, and they give me full seniority for my pay. She is also a bad ass at her job and was solely responsible for fixing their largest clients account that was very disorganized. I am fully willing to be fired at anytime with a severance package of 3 months salary, [–]h2man 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (2 children), [–]sold_snek 94 points95 points96 points 3 years ago (1 child). In other words no goals were specified, but at review time goals were referred to. Someone posted a good summary of how the annual review/raise process works. [–]slipperylips 112 points113 points114 points 3 years ago (60 children), Gotta love the Jones Act. Accepting a counter-offer from the place you currently work at is foolish; inevitably someone finds out and people will have a disdain for you. [–]Stargate525 100 points101 points102 points 3 years ago (6 children). Sure, lots of companies and managers can't understand such honesty and transparency. Upon submitting your written resignation (date, name, etc.) So the part time deal was off the table. [–]mesoziocera 41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (1 child). ask how the want to handle advising the other staff. If half the company knows and you ended up staying with the company, everyone knows what happened and it fosters bad behavior. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. When the other person's feelings don't impact the work you do … All things are temporary, I don't have a vendetta or grudge against my company. [–]KunYuL 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (15 children), I may be running salt on the wound, but here in Alberta Canada, they got rid of the minimum salary with tips. Mar 28. Standard server wage is $3.75/hr. Why should an employee give a damn about how a company that's not willing to pay them looks? [–]codeklutch 161 points162 points163 points 3 years ago (39 children). Plus if they don’t you’ve already given notice so you have your end date. The best way to do that in my experience is to calm down and consider your actual options. [–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf 1445 points1446 points1447 points 3 years ago (90 children). You have managed to perfectly articulate the exact reason I will never accept a counter-offer. The OP's post actually demonstrates exactly why -- when someone talks about the appearance of "weakness", bad behavior, etc, how do you think they feel when someone was walking out the door until they begged them to stay? This goes on for a couple days when I decide I have to tell my manager.

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